March 10, 2021

HOW CAN YOU PAY 80% LESS TAX AS A DAY-TRADER?

Recently I was speaking with a day-trader who introduced me to an interesting idea that allows you to pay 80% less in taxes.

I thought it was quite interesting so I did a little bit of digging and I will be sharing with you my findings today, as well as how you can use this method to your advantage and invest in real-estate as well.

Before we begin, I want to first establish two facts about day-trading.

 

Firstly, you cannot use your TFSA to day-trade.

I covered this in a previous blog post in detail, so you can refer to that if you are not sure why. Second, when you day-trade, you are going to be taxed equivalently to the employment income rate, which can be around 44 to 50% marginally in Canada.

This means that you do not fall under capital gain taxes, which is 25%.

I also covered this in a separate previous blog post as well.

IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE TO REDUCE TAXES?

A day-trader with his own corporation claims that he only pays 11% in taxes.

When I was on a call with him, I thought this was very interesting, and I believe him because I have heard of people using a corporation to day-trade, which can reduce your taxes.

Let’s look into this and how it will play out.


The Base Case is that you don’t use a corporation.

Here is a tax calculator showing that you made $100K from day-trading without a corporation, so you would pay $25,375 in taxes.

This is an average rate of approximately 25%, which is pretty reasonable.

Here is a new situation: You set up a corporation somewhere in Canada, day-trade within the corporation and pay yourself a salary sometime later.

When looking at a few Canadian companies, I found that they generally pay a tax rate of 27% which is pretty hefty. This is a combination of 15% federal taxes in 12% in BC provincial tax if you were to set up a corporation in BC.

However, what if you were a private company, something called a CCPC? 

Here is where I introduce you to the concept of a Canadian-controlled corporation.

CCPC enjoys a tax benefit called small business deduction, where any income less than half a million dollars will enjoy a lower tax rate. How low are the tax rates?

It is approximately 9% federal taxes and 2% provincial for BC, This means that your tax rate as a CCPC corporation is only 11% and that is the critical component when it comes to saving on taxes.

EMPLOYMENT VS. INCORPORATION

Here are the two scenarios I introduced compared side by side.


The left hand side shows the employment tax rate that you would be paying if you were to day-trade and earn $100k as an individual. You would pay $25,375, approximately 25% in taxes. 

This means that your take-home pay is $74,625.On the right hand side, you are day-trading as a corporation and the average CCPC tax rate is around 11%. 

If you earn the same, $100,000 in taxable income, then your taxes will actually be 11% in the corporation and your net income after tax is $89,000. 

Now you haven’t paid this out to yourself at this point, but let’s take a pause here and look at the temporary tax savings. At this level, your temporary tax savings are the difference between $25,375 as an individual, minus $11,000 as a corporation. 

So just by this comparison, a corporation would be saving $14,375 in taxes which is quite significant. You can do a lot of things if you are able to delay tax by $14,000. 

This is the key observation to using a day-trading corporation. You can delay the heavy, personal income tax rates by not paying yourself out immediately. 

However, if you decide to pay yourself out immediately, then you will have to combine the amounts of taxes you paid that year as well.

THE GOOD NEWS

Here’s where it gets better. 

Let’s say day-trading is a business for you. If it is a business then you will incur expenses. When you look at the small business deduction of half a million dollars using the lower tax rates, it is actually based on profits and not revenue. 

What that means is that you can deduct all the expenses possible related to day-trading. 

For example, you have a new car and when it comes to day-trading, maybe you need to drive it around to investigate in businesses. 

Then you can understand whether or not you want to day-trade in them or not. It’s a bit of a stretch, but a lot of people put their cars in their corporation. 

DEDUCTING YOUR LEASED CAR

Let’s say you buy a Tesla that is worth $35,000 which is actually the kind of Tesla I want to buy. 

We will assume that you only use this car for work and to do research because you drive around and might even record some YouTube videos with your Tesla.

Believe it or not, this actually counts as a business expense.


Let’s say instead of using cash to buy your Tesla, you instead leased a Tesla. Then you would be paying lease interest and you also have depreciation. 

Let’s pretend the interest is 5% which is pretty average.

A Tesla is $35,000 and you need to pay 5% interest, so you have $1,750 interest expense that you can deduct within your business per year. 

If your depreciation is 30%, that is approximately $10,500. 30% is the depreciation rate that is recommended by the CRA. 

You can look up the table and look at how vehicles depreciate over time, about 30% a year. 

This means that the total expense that you can deduct as a business with the leased car is $12,000 for your first year. 

This number may change a little bit over time, but this is a rough estimate and this is the figure that we will be using for our example.

HOW DOES DEDUCTING YOUR CAR CHANGE THINGS?

Now that you’ve expensed your car and your corporation, your taxable income goes down. Instead of making $100k as a day-trader, you are now making only $88k because you’ve deducted your car expenses. 

Because of this, you will be paying less tax, bringing it down to $9,680 in taxes. 

The difference from paying $9,680 in taxes from being incorporated and paying $25,375 in taxes is $15,695. 

In fact, this figure represents an additional tax saving of $1,320 just by expensing your car which is pretty amazing. 

DEDUCTING HOME OFFICE EXPENSES

Sound pretty good so far?

I’ve got good news for you. It gets better when you are a business and you work from home. 

There is a concept called home office expense in Canada where, as soon as you are day-trading you can also set up a home office and deduct certain things like your data services, rent, part of your mortgage interest, utilities, car lease, water, books, accounting fees, and so on. 

This allows you to take part of your living expenses to be deducted under the business. 

If you need to have some meals or if your company offers your employees catering services, you may be able to deduct your meal expenses as well. 

However, meal expenses may be a bit a reach so make sure to confirm with your accountant first.

 

Assume 50% of your day-trading salary can be deducted within the corporation. 

Exact details will differ from person to person depending on how you spend money, but for this example let’s go with $50,000 in expenses.

What happens now is that you will have a lower taxable income within a day-trading corporation which is $5,500 in taxes, and you now have a net income of $44,500. 

Before  you even pay out to yourself, your temporary tax savings is now a lot higher compared to the $25,375 in taxes you would have to pay without incorporation and deducting expenses. 

SAVING 80% IN TAXES

With this method, you would save approximately $20,000 in taxes. 

By deducting your home office expense, you can save an additional $5,000 in taxes, and this is where you can save 80% in taxes compared to if you were to not get incorporated. 

So if you are able to set up a day-trading corporation for yourself, then by all means this would be a great advantage for you and you should do it.

When you think about spending money for meals, rent, your house, a car lease, you are using your pre-tax money to pay for a part of your living expenses as a day-trader and this makes everything in Canada a lot cheaper because you are not using your after-tax money to pay for it, and this is a crucial observation. 

WHAT IF YOU HAVE 0 NET INCOME?

Let’s take this one step further. 

Let’s say you now pay yourself out a salary for any remaining money that you did not deduct as an expense.

This means that your corporation actually has zero net income after you pay a salary of $50,000, and you pay $0 in taxes in your corporation.

So what does that mean?


On the right hand side, you’ll see that your average tax rate is 20% because your income is lower and your take home pay is $39,825. 

On the left hand side, we have the same calculation and your take home pay is $74,625. 

After you deduct your $50k and living expenses, you have $24,625 remaining and you can immediately see the difference, that you are saving $15,200 when you take $39,925 and deduct it against $24,625. 

What if you don’t want to take that out? 

What if you want to leave it within the corporation, and why would you want to remove it in the first place? 

Here is where the mind-blowing trick comes up.


I discovered this trick while conversing with the day-trader.

Let’s say you leave $44,500 within the corporation because you don’t need it.

You’ve already deducted your car, utilities, mortgage, and meals within the corporation so there are not many expenses left.

You need to pay for it outside of the corporation, anyways and maybe you want to reinvest that into something else.

In this case, he was  investing into real estate.

This is the mind blowing part for me, because you now have a down payment of $44,500 and if you’re able to put that towards real estate, that would be amazing. 

90% correct transcript

So, how can you pay 80% less tax as a day trader? So recently I was talking to a day trader and he introduced me to an interesting idea that allow you to pay 80% less tax. And at first I thought, huh, that's pretty interesting. So I dig a little bit deeper and I just want to share my findings with you today at the end of the video, I'll talk about how you can use this to your advantage and invest in real estate as well. So make sure you watch till the end 96.4, if you haven't subscribed yet it is free and you can always change your mind in the future. And this month I'm looking to help 20 professionals without a financial background to master investing and target 30% a year. So they will be more details at the end of it. So how to pay 80% less tax as a day trader.

Now, before we start, I just want to establish two basic facts about day trading. First, you can not use your TSA to do day trading. And I covered this in an earlier video. So you can refer to that. Now, second, when you day trade, you are considered to get tax at the employment income rate, which can get up to around a 44 to 50% marginal tax rate in Canada. So it means you do not fall under the capital gain tax, which is 25%. And I also covered this in another video as well. So is it possible to reduce taxes and a day trader with his own corporation claims that he only pays 11% in taxes? And when I was on a call with him, I thought, wow, that is very interesting. And I believe him because I do heard of people using a corporation today trade so that they can reduce on your taxes.

So let's look at how that would pan out. So the base case is that you don't use a corporation and here is the tax calculator where you make a hundred K from day trading without a corporation, and you would pay $25,375 in taxes. And that's an average tax rate of approximately 25%. And that is pretty, pretty reasonable. And in my other video, that's what I covered. And that's what our belief is when you compare it to long-term investing. Now, here's the new situation. Let's say you set up a corporation in British Columbia or anywhere in Canada, really, you day trade within the corporation and then you pay yourself a salary. Sometime later. Now, when you're looking at a couple of companies in Canada, they generally pay a tax rates of 27%, which is pretty hefty. And this is really a combination of 15% in federal and 12% in BC provincial tax.

So together is 27%. But what if you are a private company, something called a CCPC. So here's where I introduce you to the concept of a Canadian controlled corporation. CCPC enjoys a tax benefit called small business deduction, where any income, less than half a million dollars will enjoy a lower tax rates. So how low is the tax rates? It's approximately 9% for federal and 2% for BC. That means your tax rates as a CCPC corporation, it's only 11%. And that is the critical component. When it comes to saving on taxes. Now let's do a scenario analysis on the left hand side, I have just introduced you to the first scenario where you pay 25% tax. You make a hundred K a day trading as a person. Your taxes will be 25,375. So our take home pay is 74,625 on the right hand side, you'll see the day trading corporation and the CCPC average tax rates is around 11%.

And if you earn the same 100,000 in taxable income, then your taxes will actually be 11 in the corporation. And your net income after tax is 89,000. Now you haven't paid this out to yourself yet, but let's pause at this point and look at the temporary tax savings. So at this level, your temporary tax saving is really the difference between a 25,375 minus that 11,000 in taxes as a corporation. So the tax saving is $14,375. That is quite significant, right? You can do a lot of things if you are able to delay tax by $14,000. So here is really the key observation by using a day trading corporation, you can delay the heavy, personal income tax rates by not paying out yourself immediately. Now, if you pay out yourself immediately, then of course you need to combine the amounts of taxes you paid out year as well.

And here's where it gets better. So let's say day trading is a business and it is a business you will incur expenses. And when you look at the small business deduction of half a million dollars using the lower tax rates, it is actually based on profits and not revenue. So that means you can deduct all the expenses possible. That is related to day trading. So let's say you have a car when it comes to day trading, maybe you need to drive around to investigate in businesses. So then you can understand what do you want to day trade them? Murdoch. It's a bit of a stretch, but a lot of people put their cars in their corporation. So let's say you buy a Tesla. That is where for $35,000, which is kind of the Tesla I want to buy. And I do cover this in another video call wall street buys me a Tesla, and we will assume that's you only use this car for work to do research because you drive around or you might even record some YouTube videos with your Tesla and discounts as a business expense, believe it or not.

And let's say instead of using cash to bias, you leased a Tesla. So then you're paying lease interest and you also have depreciation. And let's say the interest is 5%, which is average in this case. So that means for a $35,000 Tesla, you pay 5% interest. That is 1,750 interest expense that you can deduct within your business per year. And let's say your depreciation is 30%, which is approximately $10,500. And a 30% is really at the appreciation rates that is recommended by the CRA. So you can look up the table and look at how vehicles are depreciated over time is 30% a year. So this means the total expense that you can deduct as a business with the leased car is $12,000 for your first year. Now this number will change a little bit over time, but roughly speaking, let's use $12,000 as the assumption.

So how does that change things? So let's say you expense your car and your corporation, and now your taxable income goes down. Instead of making a hundred thousand dollars as day trader, you actually make less 88,000 because you deducted your car at this means you'll pay less tax as well. And that will be 9,680 in taxes. So after you pay 9,680 and taxes, and if you compare that to, without being incorporated, you pay 25,375 in taxes or temporary tax savings is really $15,695. So this is actually an additional tax saving of 1,320, just by expensing your car. That's pretty amazing, right? Just up till this point, I think I've already saved 15,695 as a day trader, but it gets better when you're looking at a business and you work from home. There's a concept called home office expense in Canada. And as soon as you're day trading, you can also set up at home office and you can deduct certain things like your data services, your rent, part of your mortgage interest utilities, your car lease, which we covered earlier, water books, accounting fees, and so on.

This really allows you to take part of your living expenses to be deducted under the business. And if you need to have some meals or if your company offers your employee catering services, maybe you can deduct your meal expenses as well. But this is a little bit great. So make sure you confer with your accountant. So let's make an assumption. Let's assume 50% of your day trading salary can be deducted within the corporation. And the exact detail will be different from person to person, depending on how you spend money, but let's go with $50,000 in expenses. So what this does is that you will now have a lower taxable income within a day trading corporation. And that is 5,500 in taxes. And this means you have a net income of $44,500. So before you even pay out to yourself, your temporary tax savings is now a lot higher compared to the $25,375 in taxes.

You save approximately $20,000 in taxes. And by deducting your home office expense, you save an additional $5,000 in taxes. And this is where you say 80% taxes compared to not incorporating. So if you are able to set up a day trading corporation for yourself, and by all means, this will be a great advantage for you. When you think about spending money, you know, for meals, for rent, for your house, for a car, at least you are really using your tax money to pay for a part of your living expenses as a day trader and dismissed everything in Canada, a lot cheaper because you're not using your after-tax money to pay for it. And this is a crucial observation. Now let's take it one step further. So let's say now you pay out yourself a salary for any remaining money that you did in deduct as an expense.

So that means your corporation actually has zero net income after you pay a salary of $50,000. So you pay Ciro dollars in taxes in your corporation. So what does that mean? Now on the right hand side, you'll see that your average tax rate is 20% because your income is lower and your take home pay is $39,825. On the left hand side, we have the same calculation and your take home pay is $74,625. And then you need to deduct your 50 K and living expenses. So then after that, your living expenses only $24,625, and you can immediately see the difference. That's, you're saving $15,200 by taking a nut-free 9,825 and deducted against a $24,625. Now, what if you don't want to take that out? So what if you want to leave it in the corporation and why would you want to do that? And this is really the mind blowing trick.

I discovered what I was discussing with the stage trader. And this is the last trick. And let's say you leave the $44,500 within the corporation because you don't need it because you're already deducted your card or utilities or mortgaged or meals within the corporation. So there's really not much expenses. You need to pay for it outside of the corporation anyways. So you want to reinvest that maybe into something else. And in this case, he was investing in real estate. This is really the mind blowing part for me, because now you have a down payment of 40 $400,500. And you're able to put that towards real estate is not amazing. And that's the end of this video. So when it comes to investing myself is really a long-term investor. And my targets is to make 30% a year. So even though day trading and setting up a day trading to save on taxes and treat me I'm a long-term value investor.

And when I'm targeting 30%, it's initially it feels like a stretch goal for me. But once I achieve it with a proven investing strategy, I created a quiz or a health check for you to understand where you're at, when it comes to investing. So here is the health check, the nine questions to become a successful investor. And if you are able to answer all nine questions here and you have a good answer that is all working together, then I think you're on your way. He makes 30%. So this includes your stock selection process, risk management, portfolio management, entry, exits profit multiplying mechanism, and your strategy to deal with market crash and to reduce your taxes. So if you want me to take a look at your response, then you can draft it up in detail and send it to my email address, which is [email protected].

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Eric Seto

Investor, CPA (Canada) based in Hong Kong and Vancouver

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